• Properly stripping a pool of its Finish

    Posted on April 20, 2012 by in Did you Know?, resources

    Properly stripping a pool of its finish can help preserve the shell. Here, experts discuss how.

    Plaster demolition work isn’t pretty. Unfortunately, this sometimes becomes too apparent in the finished product.

    “I’ve seen some pools that were stripped that looked like they threw hand grenades in there,” says Kevin Wallace, president of Underwater Unlimited Inc. in San Diego. “They just gouged them to death.”

    As a pool renovator, it isn’t just the aesthetic of a poor chip-out that bothers him, but the fact that many remodelers actually expose the rebar. “The gunite or shotcrete is the muscle of the pool, and if they’re taking out big chunks, it could be a problem.”

    The key is to remove the plaster without creating too many gouges. “You don’t want to make it look like a driving range, where there are divots everywhere,” says Edgar Sanchez, chief operating officer of Modern Method Gunite Inc., a Houston-based gunite and plastering contractor.


    “What you have in those cases are varying degrees of [plaster] thicknesses, so you could end up with different types of hydration, which will give you a mottled looking finish,” he adds.

    Here, experts explain how to make the job as smooth as possible, while taking out the minimum amount of shotcrete or gunite, whether performing a full or partial chip-out.

    Though some plasterers will apply a bond coat to the existing surface rather than remove all the old material, some chipping out still must be performed.  For example, the plaster or exposed aggregate should be taken out a few inches below the tile line so that the new material can be properly feathered in to the right elevation. Above left, virtually all the plaster has been removed from a set of steps so there’s enough room to work new material up to the tile. Above right, crews place tape on the tile to prevent cracking and act as a guide. They also protect the tile by using smaller jackhammers there.

    Part of the way

    Crews using a bond coat must perform a partial chip-out.

    It’s important to remove the plaster immediately under the tile line and around fittings. This allows the plaster or exposed aggregate to be gradually feathered in and wrapped around penetrations, so that they are at the same elevation and prevent leakage or water migration behind the tile.

    To chip around the tile, professionals saw cut at least once immediately underneath to allow the material to come off cleanly. This causes the least damage to the tile. Some just cut immediately under the tile, at the joint. Others add a second saw cut, running parallel anywhere from 3 to 12 inches below. Then they knock out the material between the two saw cuts.

    “When you make two cuts and hit it with the jackhammer, it comes out in a small section,” Sanchez says. “It’s more of a controlled area that you’re taking off. That whole piece comes off. After that, I can get a lot more aggressive for the next few inches down.” Some use an angle grinder to make the cuts while others uses hand grinders with a 4-inch diamond blade.

    Skipping this step can damage the tile over time. “There are guys who won’t undercut, won’t chip, and they just roll the new finish into the existing tile,” says Dave Schilli, president of St. Louis-based Schilli Plastering Co. Inc. “That runs into a potential problem with water getting down behind the new finish because you’re not really sealing off the top of that new finish. You’re basically exposing it to water penetration.”

    Crews removed plaster surrounding an outlet, below left, to allow proper integration of the new material. Because spa footwells have so many penetrations, some professionals just chip out the entire area, below right.

    When doing this, only cut about as deep as the tile. “My guys know the tile is only 3/8-inch thick, so that’s all they’re going down,” Schilli says. “They’re not cutting any deeper than they have to.”

    How far to cut beneath the tile depends partly on what type of finish is being used. Plaster and finer exposed aggregates only need to be applied about 3/8-inch thick, so it’s fine to chip out less of the existing plaster underneath the tile. However, when dealing with a pebble finish or other material that must be applied more thickly, a greater amount of space should be opened up underneath the tile. This gives plasterers more room to gradually feather in the material until it sits flush with the tile surface.

    Crews use a similar technique around the fittings, placing a cut approximately 6 inches outside the fittings and then removing the finish material. For floor returns or in-floor cleaning heads, some professionals prefer to cut approximately 12 inches.

    Next, crews must check for areas where debonding, commonly called delamination, has occurred. These are nicknamed “hollows.” To find them, drag a chain or rod, such as a piece of rebar, across the pool and listen for a different sound. “It’s scratch, scratch, scratch — just like you’d imagine from dragging a chain on the floor — and then you hit a hollow area and it sounds like you’re tapping a bucket,” says Shawn Still, general manager of Olympic Pool Plastering in Norcross, Ga. “It creates a very hollow resonation, and that’s the separation between the top layer of plaster and the underlying substrate.” When doing this, workers can run the chain or rod in a “V” pattern across the whole pool.

    It’s important to check for hollows so the new material can become fused to the shell. It makes no sense to plaster over old material that has detached. “If it’s hollow, it doesn’t matter if you apply a bond coat because you’re really not bonding anything,” Sanchez says.

    On an average pool, approximately 10 percent of the surface will be debonded, or hollow, Still says. If it’s more, companies may opt to perform a full chip-out. Some will do this if more than 25 percent of the surface has delaminated, while others will hold off unless hollows make up 40 percent of the pool.

    When doing floor work, crews can use larger equipment and don’t have to chip at as steep an angle, above left. Walls must be done a little more delicately, with smaller jackhammers and held at steeper angles so the material peels off with greater control. This also protects the tile, which could shatter under the pressure of stronger equipment.

    The full chip-out

    There are other times when even those who prefer the bond-coat method will move to a full chip-out. If it becomes apparent that there are multiple layers of plaster in the pool, Sanchez will remove everything. “You want to go ahead and chip off the top two layers so you come back with one,” he says.

    Another veteran, Jay Eaton, president of Cal Plastering in Phoenix, will perform a full chip-out if the pool has an in-floor cleaner, since they would have to do so much cutting and chipping around the fittings anyway. He also will choose this option in the case of a major renovation rather than a simple resurfacing.

    Whether performing a complete or partial chip-out, certain techniques will help crews remove the plaster while leaving as much shotcrete or gunite intact as possible.

    The most frequently made mistake is rushing the job, experts say. After all, not only is it more profitable to get out and on to the next job, but the work is terribly hard, leaving some to want to get it finished.

    “When you consider that an average pool uses about six batches of material, and a batch weighs 1,000 pounds, that’s three tons of aggregate and cement,” Still says. “When you’ve got a full chip-out, that means, by hand, you’re chipping up the plaster into chunks, scooping it up into 5-gallon buckets, and carrying every bit of it out by hand. It is brutal work.”

    However, rushing through can lead to removal of too much material. In an effort to speed things along, some will use stronger jackhammers than are necessary, and inadvertently cut into the shell. “We use a 60-pound [pneumatic] hammer, and that will do less damage,” Eaton says. “We only use the 90-pound jackhammers when we’re doing heavier-duty work like breaking up concrete decks.”

    Still’s crews, who use electric jackhammers, will chip with 30-pound models at most. “It takes a little bit longer but it puts a lot less stress on the substrate,” he says.

    Crews also should work with a flat chisel rather than a pointed one, although it’s slower. This reduces the number of pocks pounded into the shell and helps control the amount of material that’s removed. “A lot of guys who we run into use a pointed chisel to expedite the process, and it really does a lot more damage than just the flat chisel,” says Peter Langevin, CEO of Simply Pools in Fountain Valley, Calif. “The flat chisel, it’s kind of like shaving — you can run a flat chisel along the wall more effectively and just kind of take off what you need. Somebody who would use a point, when they hit it on the wall, it kind of splatters in all directions.”

    Workers can use wider chisels — 6- to 7-inches — on the floor, and go with a smaller held-held gun for the walls, steps and benches to protect the tile and fittings.

    Optimally, the flat chisels should be held at an angle of approximately 45 to 60 degrees to chip slightly sideways. “Every time you go straight down you’re creating a divot,” Sanchez says.

    Floor work can be done with the chisel held at less of an angle.

    Another key to removing the material efficiently with minimal damage is to frequently sharpen the tools. This makes it easier to strip the existing finish, and creates less damage underneath. “You want to keep your points and chisels sharp and have a lot of pressure on them, so they can work quickly and don’t do any more damage to the surface than they have to,” Eaton says.

    It’s difficult to say how often a tool should be sharpened, because some finishing materials are harder than others. However, all points and chisels should be sharpened before each job. When removing harder surfaces such as pebble, crews will need to sharpen more often. Once the pool has been chipped out, some crews like to acid wash the area in order to remove any remaining residue. But this should be avoided, Sanchez says. “They’re literally taking off the top layer of cement and making that gunite kind of sandy, which inhibits the ability of the plaster to bond to it,” he explains.

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